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TOPIC: Flight training in Halifax, NS?

Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15521

Hi. I have two issues I'd like to throw out there:

1) Does anyone know of any general aviation presence in Halifax or vicinity?? A club, a group of pilots, instructors that live here, anything???

2) I started my private pilot training in the US on Cessna 172s, had only a tiny bit of cross-country to complete and of course my check-ride, but moved back to Halifax a year ago prior to completion. I'm quite disappointed in the availability of flight training in such a large city, the nearest opportunity being in Truro (about an hour away!), and their school having, I believe, only one instructor.

My schedule is such that I need something as convenient and flexible as possible. I have not been able to get up even once since being in Halifax (part of which I admit is my own fault due to work & family, but mostly due to distance/convenience and availability of instructor).

This finally brings me to my second question, which is whether there are any flight instructors (CFIs) in the region, not necessarily at a school, that may be willing to consider instructing me?

Any info much appreciated!!

Cheers,
Joel
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15522

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www.pilotcareercentre.com/TrainingDetail.asp?TSID=273

Not sure if they're still in business but try Shearwater Aviation. Believe this is close to Halifax. Fairly large fleet according to their web profile.

Good luck.
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15526

Thanks for the response Fly Guy!

Unfortunately Shearwater (which would have been perfect for proximity, facility, etc) closed flight training about 4 years ago. A victim of government/military restructuring or something I think. It was a military base, had three runways, had an active flight club, annual airshow, etc and then it was \"downsized\", land sold, only one short runway now open for helicopters only, and there's no flying club. Quite a shame...
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15528

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I trained at Shearwater 20 years ago this fall (!), and it was a good place to train back then. I think there was more to it than just government downsizing of the military base, but the end result is the same: No school there any more.

There are, I believe, two other options in Nova Scotia besides Debert. Waterville has an active school, but it's no closer (may even be further), and you may be able to find training at Stanley, also a good 45 minutes from Halifax.

I don't know why another school hasn't opened at CYHZ, but it may have something to do with the airport authority. They didn't particularly care for the \"little guys\" delaying the larger customers using the airport, but I think there was some kind of user fee that they had implemented to try to prevent such an operation. This amounts to little more than hearsay and speculation, so I may very well be completely out in left field about this.
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15534

I was in the middle of my training for a private pilot license at Shearwater when it shut down about four years or so ago. There were two options open to me at that time: Truro Flying Club and Scotia Flying in Waterville.

I finished the license at Waterville with Scotia. I chose Scotia because most of the students from Shearwater flocked to Debert and there was a shortage of airplanes and instructors. I believe it has since shut down. Another school opened at Waterville known as Greenwood Flying Club. It was an active club originally located on the Air Force Base in Greenwood. For whatever reason, it was forced out of Greenwood and landed in Waterville around the same time as Shearwater closed down.

I am presently flying out of Debert and have been training there towards a commercial pilot license (I am six hours away with the flight test complete).

I would recommend either school. Pick the one that is easiest for you to get to. If you have your own aircraft, you may be able to find someone to teach you out of YHZ (if you can find somewhere to park your plane there). If you are planning on going on to multi-training, Waterville offers this rating. Debert does not have a twin.

There is no school at Halifax. My personal feeling is that it is because the lease rates are too high after the government handed the administration over to the Halifax International Airport Authority. There have been rumblings about a FBO opening on the airport for GA but it hasn't happened yet. It's a bit surprising because from what I understand, the number of movements at Halifax over the last few years has dropped off quite a lot due to the Hub and spoke and reductions in flights, etc. (I learned this at a COPA meeting held at Shearwater)HIAA is very good about the landing fees though. There is an arrangement where the local COPA flight pays a fixed fee for GA aircraft.

Oh! COPA has a monthly meeting at the Shearwater Aviation Museum in Dartmouth. The next meeting is next Tuesday 21 October at 1900. I am sure you would be very welcome to attend. The group might have better suggestions as well.

I have to admit that driving from Dartmouth to Debert, a one hour and fifteen minute drive past an operating airport makes me wonder. It probably doesn't help that I live under the circuit for Shearwater. It is a terrible comment on the state of GA in the Halifax metro area of Nova Scotia.

Good luck.

Chris
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15535

Thanks Chris, the Halifax COPA Flight is an excellent find - I didn't know about it. I'll definitely join/attend whenever possible. Unfortunately this Tuesday I'm out of the province, but the next one...

You're right about the sad state of GA in the HRM. It really hit home when I went to the Airshow at YHZ this year, and there was absolutely nothing about GA. Having been to a few things in the US (local airshows and AOPA fly-in) before moving back, those events always have flight schools, airplane manufacturers, etc to raise interest in aviation. I would think out of all the people that go to the Halifax Airshow, there's bound to be a bunch that would go up to a booth of a local flying club, and at least a few that would do introductory flights and possibly training. I found it odd that there were no clubs there.

I'd be very interested in digging deeper to find out why things are as they are (weather? costs? convenience?) and what can be done. You would probably know better than I, but I can only assume there must be quite a few pilots in HRM and I'm willing to bet quite a few people who would want to learn to fly if given a reasonably convenient opportunity.

I wonder what the future state of the Shearwater runways are, particularly the one that's now outside of their property (the big one). What an awesome location for everyone, including local (read wealthy) business folks that might like better convenience than YHZ. Or I wonder what the HIAA would think these days about having a stronger GA presence - there must be some benefit for them I would think?

Anyway, I'd love to help rectify things if possible. I guess all it would take are massive amounts of money, right?

Hope to meet you at the COPA thing some time soon. Perhaps you could let me know when the next meeting is. Thanks again Chris...

Joel
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15536

Hello Joel,

You ask some interesting questions. Last year at a COPA Flight 60 meeting a representative of Canada Lands and the Regional Municipality briefed the group on the disposition of the land. The city wants to use the land to connect Caldwell road with the Circumferential highway.

The rep from Canada Lands wouldn't speculate on what the future use of the land would be as it would depend on what proposals came in. Now, since then, I believe the Air Force has asked for the land back. I think they have had second thoughts. Strategically, having access to rail, port and heavy aircraft runways (albeit the runway requires substantial work) can be very important and it is not easy to come by.

What I sometimes question is why a civilian flight club cannot co-exist on a military base. I believe there are smaller combined airfields existing in the USA. I may be wrong on this though. There were contributing factors other than just security resulting in the shut-down of Shearwater Aviation flight training at Shearwater.

An FBO or flight club at CYHZ would be a lot more convenient for pilots in HRM. Perhaps the municipality needs to have the economic benefits of having a GA presence at the airport explained to them,....again.

Nevertheless, Debert is a great airport with a friendly environment. I enjoy flying out of there. At least they have plans for the future. I have flown with Greenwood as well and found them very service oriented. I will likely do a multi endorsment with them in the future.

Cheers,

Chris
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15537

The latest from Canada Lands concerning Shearwater:

• a large linear shaped parcel of 580 acres (235 hectares) to the west of Morris Lake containing the decommissioned runway 16-34; and.......

In early 2008, Canada Lands Company was informed by DND that it is reviewing its military operational requirement for 12 Wing Shearwater.

Since the outcome of this review may impact Shearwater, Canada Lands Company placed the current planning initiative at Shearwater on hold and will advise key stakeholders when the planning process will be re-launched.


REgards

Chris
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15538

In a publication released in 2005 about the conversion of military airfields to civilian use in the USA it's stated that in 2002 there were 22 joint-use airfields existing in the USA.

Converting Military Airfields to Civilian Use - DOD Office of Economic Adjustment

The existing 16-34 runway at Shearwater would be a prime candidate for GA. It probably wouldn't have to be 8000' long either!

Chris
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15541

Chris,
That's great info, very interesting. Thanks! Perhaps the military delay on Canada Lands is an advantage either if the military decide to keep it going and would be open to joint operations, or at least as a stall before the province or someone buys it from Canada Lands and tears the whole thing down to turn it into a road or industrial park! Would be a nice spot for one of those \"aviation subdivisions\", no?

I wonder if the military or the development committee put together by Canada Lands (CBCL Limited in partnership with FoTenn Consultants) would be forthcoming in their current thinking on the future of the land...

Joel
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15543

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I think redeveloping the lands around Shearwater for aviation usage is a long shot, at best. Shearwater used to be an active military base, but as the community built up around it, the same old thing whereby rich landowners buy up the land around an airport and then complain about the noise happened. Seeing the land reopened to aviation, loud noisy jets or otherwise, would be the last thing that many nearby residents would want -- and, unfortunately, I think several have deep enough pockets (perhaps big enough for a politician or two) to help prevent it. For years that land has been sought after for development, as well as for a highway-type bypass for local traffic, rather than having to skirt the area all the time. It would be a tough sell at the local level. The only hope for keeping it open would be from the federal level, in my view. Having said that, I'd love to see an aviation future for that area.
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15546

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Hi Joel,

I'm an Instructor at the Truro Flying Club .. aka, The Debert Flight Centre. I'd like to reply to your original post.
I started my private pilot training in the US on Cessna 172s, had only a tiny bit of cross-country to complete and of course my check-ride,

Sounds like you're close to finishing. If you haven't flown solo in Canada before you will have to write an exam (PSTAR) on Canadian air regulations. Other than that, a bit of recurrency training, finish your x-country hours, do the Flight Test and Private written ... and you'll have a licence.

... the nearest opportunity being in Truro (about an hour away!), and their school having, I believe, only one instructor.

We have three Instructors actually ... two full time, and one part time. Also we have one of the region's only Flight Test Examiners, who is also an Instructor. We operate three C-172's and one C-152. Yes, we are an hour away from Halifax, but if you are also looking for some Ground school, we do have an extension classroom in Fall River, which is much closer to Halifax.[/quote]

My schedule is such that I need something as convenient and flexible as possible.

The flight training at Debert is 'fly at your own pace' - you set your schedule.

This finally brings me to my second question, which is whether there are any flight instructors (CFIs) in the region, not necessarily at a school, that may be willing to consider instructing me?

I don't do any freelance Instructing, but I'd welcome you to come up sometime and visit our Flying Club. We'd be more than happy to finish off your licence.


Email me if I can be of further assistance.

Regards,
Paul Gamble
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15570

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I'm a relatively new Haligonian (moved here 2 years ago from 'away') and I have been disappointed that there's not too many FTUs near by. I do have my licence so I'm more interested in renting for proficiency and recreational flying.

I'm currently finishing up my last year of a law degree so unfortunately extra money for flying is almost non-existent and there isn't a lot of free time. I've flown out of Greenwood Flight Centre in Waterville once and stopped at the Truro Flying Club for a visit (but haven't flown out of there). Both seemed like great spots to fly out of. Everyone I talked to was really nice and the planes seemed in good condition. Truro Flying Club has a relatively new 172 that looked pretty nice. Unfortunately, for both locations, when you factor in the time to drive, get ready, actually go flying combined with the price of renting and gas, it just becomes too expensive and time consuming at the moment. Hopefully this will change when I'm actually bringing in an income as opposed to living off student loans!

With regards to having a flight school at HIAA, I was talking to an executive with the Airport Authority lamenting about the lack of places close by to rent aricraft from. He said that they weren't opposed to having a flight school on site. However, who knows how serious this though was.

ScotiaFlight had intended to get something up an running at YHZ at one of the FBOs, but the never really got off the ground (pardon the pun).


Chris - I'd be interested to find out more information about the COPA meetings. What sort of topics are covered? Do you have to be a COPA member to attend the meetings?

Thanks!
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15571

Hello JBI,

The COPA Flight 60 meetings are held monthly at the Shearwater Aviation Museum.

The meetings usually begin with the local flight Captain or his designate doing a review of COPA and flying related issues that are of interest to the pilots. This is usually followed by a presentation on an aviation topic of some sort.

In October, the presentation was given by Mike Doiron on Threat and Error Management; the topic was very interesting and delivered very professionally.

I do not attend every meeting (I work overseas on a rotational basis) but have always enjoyed every meeting I have attended.

Paul Maclellan is the local Flight Captain. You can probably get more information re: meeting time and date from the COPA website. Otherwise, I will try and find out the information.

Their is always an open invitation to bring a friend to the meeting so I do not believe that being a member of COPA is required to try out a couple of meetings.

Regards

Chris
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15623

Joel:

The next COPA meeting at Shearwater Museum in Dartmouth, NS will have a representative there from the Halifax International Airport Authority. Perhaps they have some news?

The meeting is scheduled for Tuesday, November 18 at the Shearwater Aviation Museum. Start time is 7 PM with the coffee on at 6:30.

Also on the agenda will be a safety discussion with a well known local aviation safety advocate and an update on the February 28 Day long Recurrency/Training/Proficiency seminar.

I am certain that if you turned up you would be welcome. We are encouraged to 'bring a friend' but I cannot attend because I am in Korea at the moment.

Regards,

Chris
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 8 months ago #15624

Thanks Chris, I actually got an email from Paul MacLellan telling me about it, so I plan to be there.
The info about HIAA will be good to hear for sure. Thanks again!

Joel
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Re:Flight training in Halifax, NS? 9 years 4 months ago #16084

Not much around the halifax area.. only debert and waterville airport has training out of them..


http://www.myaviationschool.com/aviation-directory/greenwood-flight-centre.html
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