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Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 7 months ago #15542

John Lovelace’s Century Flight celebrating the 100th anniversary of Canadian flight is very quickly growing to be about as big a national event as can be. The venue list is still being finalized but presently includes:

- Boundary Bay, BC
- Calgary (Springbank), AB for the COPA Convention
- Brandon, MB
- Sault Ste. Marie, ON
- Brampton, ON (the ONLY stop in Southern Ontario and site of a major event)
- Gatineau, QC (day stop)
- Fredericton, NB for a dedicated “Aviation Day” with visitors from across the Maritimes and the NE US
- Sydney, NS
- Baddeck, NS the site of the first flight in Canada

We are also planning with the EAA for Canadian celebratory events at AirVenture 2009 in Oshkosk, WI where we will be stopping on the return trip after the Century Flight closing events at Baddeck.

Launching from Boundary Bay, BC on July 18th and ending at Baddeck on July 28th the Flight will involve 100-200 pilots joining the Flight from various points across the country, thousands of celebrants on the ground at the many planned venues, and millions watching on network television across North America.

Start your planning NOW to be a part of this historic event. Registrations are already under way and the response has been amazing. This will truly be an aviation event of a lifetime! Don’t miss out. Register SOON!

For information, visit www.JohnLovelace.com or download this flyer: www.PCAS.ca/centuryflightcnc3.pdf . Of course, you’re always welcomed to contact me for information as well.



Anthony Nalli

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John Lovelace’s Cross Country Century Flight

Web: CenturyFlight.PCAS.ca
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Phone: 416-225-9266
Toll-free: 1-888-PCAS-123
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 3 months ago #16195

A Century Flight promo video has been released. Enjoy!

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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 3 months ago #16196

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I appreciate this is all a volunteer venture and it's a shame you couldn't get someone with experience in producing a commercial. Because the job deserved better than it got. This is a muddle. Bad sound mix that interferes with the first part of the narration. Confused script that wanders around trying to say something but doesn't come to a point and tell me something I could use. Many facts just stated and then left hanging. An unexplained mention of 200 pilots for 100 planes, for instance, is just confusing and immaterial. A list of plane types that spins past so fast, it's unreadable. Eight cities comes off sounding puny in such a large country. And meanwhile probably the national overkill record on the use of the word \"epic\", which, if I hear one more time in my life now will surely make me scream. Superlative overkill is an amateur's mistake.
And nothing, nothing that tells me where I can get more information. A very, very bad bungle. It's 2009. You don't go anywhere, you don't say anything, anymore without a website. And no, the blurb beside the video on youtube doesn't count.
And yes, I've done radio, print and tv commercials.
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16203

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I actually liked it. The lack of a web address was hardly a big issue (just google the film title). I did think the name of the lake sounded a tad odd to my ear (I've always heard it pronounced \"Ba\" as in ba ba black sheep) but hopefully they did the research on that.
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16204

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I have some concerns about this initiative.

I watched the video and went to the webpage for more info. I was interested in doing the coast to coast trip this summer after visiting Alaska. I requested a registration package by email way back in October but I never heard anything from them.

The itinerary on the website for this event is very strange. According to the schedule, there is an event on 20 June in Boundary Bay but then the aircraft don't leave for Calgary until 17 July.

Two days in Calgary at the COPA convention - cue the Burt Bacharach music and endless discussions about ELTs. :(

No stop in Saskatchewan but two days in Brandon for \"Spectator Activities\". Has nothing aviation-related happened in Saskatchewan in the last 100 years? Just asking.

The itinerary has two stops in Ontario - Sault St Marie and Brampton, only 260nm apart. They spend two days in Brampton eating - a BBQ, beer tent and a pig roast - just what the body needs after 7 days flying in a small aircraft. :(

Two days in Brampton and then they leave for Fredricton. Nothing near Ottawa, not even a photo op at the Canadian Aviation Museum or at Vintage Wings.

What I find incredibly tacky is that the map on the website shows a stop in Quebec City but the downloadable itinerary shows no stops in the Province of Quebec except for an optional fuel stop in Sherbrooke. The flight distance shows they plan to overfly Maine instead of visiting Quebec City. Just wait until the Quebec media picks up this \"Cross Canada\" story. Then watch the sponsors run for cover. Don't expect any federal culture grants.

According to my flight planner, this itinerary requires about 28 hours of flight time and at least $1,200 in avgas. I have to fly out to the West Coast first, and of course I have to pay for my own accomodations, refreshments and ground transport. There seems to be little advantage to flying with the group.

The scheduled activities don't seem to offer anything unique that I can't do when I travel by myself. There are \"ground activities\", \"spectator day\", \"BBQ\" and \"Pig Roast\" in the schedule. Sorry, but I don't fly across the country just to attend BBQs.

The two-day stops tend to be in less-interesting places. I'm not sure what the thinking is here, but I have had way more fun in Montreal or Quebec City than I ever had in Brandon or Brampton. I was grounded for a year in Brampton one weekend. This would be my summer vacation - I should not feel that I am being punished. :(

Where is the Canadian history or aviation focus? I hope I haven't hurt anyone's feelings with my ramblings, but what are the unique hooks that would convince us to participate in or support this event?
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16205

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I thought something similar about the planning. Amateur public relations blunders. Not a stop in every province? Shameful. You're right. Overflying Quebec is disgraceful. So much Canadian aviation history there and modernday aviation activity. And skipping the national capital? Making Sask. an overfly province is insulting to all its residents, not just its pilots. The Newfs, on whose land is the world famous Canadian Gander airport, won't exactly feel pleased as punch about being excluded, either. Not to mention the miffed feelings bound to come out of PEI, where our country began. If it were truly cross-Canada, it would begin in Victoria, not Vancouver, too. Vancouver Islanders are very proud Canadians who also are very staunch islanders. Everybody NOT from BC seems to think Canada starts at Vancouver. Wrong!

And yeah, entering US airspace is just plain distasteful for a Canadian event celebrating a Canadian achievement. The Yanks, who know how to show pride of heritage, would never stage such an event and make part of their route over Canada!

No doubt there may be some failed permissions and unavailable timings behind some decisions, but they should have been worked through and worked out so that not a province was missed. And concerns about flying over open water could have been ammeliorated, too. As the website says, not everybody has to fly every link.

This thing is starting to look like a golden opportunity for Canadian unity, good feelings during bad times, historical remembrance, and promotion of modern aviation -- missed.

Since there's no do-over next year -- in fact, not for a hundred years -- it's a crying shame. A crying shame.
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16206

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Well,

First of all I can't imagine what it takes to organize something like this. I am happy to see something of this scope and magnitude ocurring here - having attended the the 2003 celebrations in Kitty Hawk (Kill Devil Hills) NC it's good to see something of similar significance being organized.

I looked at the web site and I'm not clear if there is a stop in SK or not - Regina (I presume) is a spot on the map route, but the itinerary does not list it. Just a fuel stop? I don't have the time to participate but I most certainly would have been there with my camera.

Could the tour not have gone Calgary - Edmonton - Saskatoon - Regina - etc. What's the rush. There definitely should be a stop in Quebec.

I'm going to celebrate by flying as much as I can and enjoying my chair in the sky (he talks about flying near the end of the clip) :)
\"Success four flights thursday morning...inform press home christmas\" Orville Wright Dec17,1903
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16207

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PrairieDog wrote:
Well,

I looked at the web site and I'm not clear if there is a stop in SK or not - Regina (I presume) is a spot on the map route, but the itinerary does not list it.

The event has 8 city stops, as per all its publicity. At the top of this thread, Nalli listed 9 (including a gas availability in Sherbrooke, which as the itin also says, could be Kingston -- I think they're just recommendations for gas). Nothing in Sask. You don't rate.
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16208

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I'm still offended that there is an AIRPORT named after Diefenbaker in Sask..

Maybe that's why the SK boycott.
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16209

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Meanwhile, we shouldn't be acting as if this is the only thing going on to commemmorate. Or even \"the official\" thing. It is somebody's personal idea of how to turn a profit from the anniversary (video and tv series sales).

When you check the federal website for the anniversary, it's busting with things taking place across the country all year. Agglomerated, a great festival and celebration of Canadian aviation.

www.canadiancentennialofflight.ca/en/calendarOfEvents.php

Personally, I love the Snowbirds' \"100 Cities for 100 Years\".
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registration 10 years 2 months ago #16216

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In fact, looking over the event list, and found this one. Now here's something to really turn your crank. These pilots are truly going national. Every province and territory. And it lays claim to be the first flight ever to hit all of them. Now that's something to talk about. These people should be getting the publicity. This is \"epic\". What a challenge and adventure. Check out the map!

It's also non-profit. But looks thoroughly well-organized.

www.airrally.com/2/rally.htm

(a much more professional website, too.)
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registratio 10 years 2 months ago #16217

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I think the objective of this John Lovelace event might just be to film a TV show for profit.

On the link that you gave, http://www.canadiancentennialofflight.ca/en/calendarOfEvents.php the event that Anthony Nalli is promoting is described as \"John Lovelace's Century Flight Cross Canada Party\" and the link goes to a Real Estate Marketing company: http://www.johnlovelace.com/

Quote:
John Lovelace Corporation is western Canada's leading full-service multimedia marketing company. We are a fully integrated independent TV production and multimedia company and we also specialize in the Real Estate sales and Real Estate mortgage financing. Copyright © 2008 John Lovelace Corporation

I suspect the planning has focused on filming the TV show. They want 100 planes as a backdrop for the video. The crew in those planes will be left to fend for themselves everyday after the \"free\" BBQ.

I think I will enjoy my solitary Cross Canada Party more.

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tonyhunt wrote:
I think you are right, Sydney, the object of this John Lovelace event might just be to film a TV show for profit.

On the link that you gave, http://www.canadiancentennialofflight.ca/en/calendarOfEvents.php the event that Anthony Nalli is promoting is described as \"John Lovelace's Century Flight Cross Canada Party\" and the link goes to a Real Estate Marketing company: http://www.johnlovelace.com/

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John Lovelace Corporation is western Canada's leading full-service multimedia marketing company. We are a fully integrated independent TV production and multimedia company and we also specialize in the Real Estate sales and Real Estate mortgage financing. Copyright © 2008 John Lovelace Corporation

I suspect the planning has focused on filming the TV show. They want 100 planes as a backdrop for the video. The crew in those planes will be left to fend for themselves everyday after the \"free\" BBQ.

I think I will enjoy my solitary Cross Canada Party more.

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Well, who knows what to believe about this event. If you click on the pdf that Nalli posted at the top of the thread, it says the flight goes through Yellowknife, Saskatoon and Winnipeg (with a teeny asterix saying \"subject to change\". Meanwhile, Nalli's own list in the same post that he attaches the pdf to says not. The pdf says the show's been sold to Global and PBS. The website says sales are pending. If these people can't keep current info up and take down old info, Gawd help anyone relying on them to accurately organize a x-country flight. Just my opinion, of course.

Meanwhile, the organization behind the real x-Canada rally looks brilliant. All logistical support detailed and covered for a flat fee.
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Re:Century Flight UPDATE: Venues & Registratio 10 years 2 months ago #16221

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The Air Force maintains a list of the recognized Centennial of Flight events.

From AvWeb this morning:
Canada is celebrating its Centennial of Flight all this year; click here for info and a listing of events... http://www.canadiancentennialofflight.ca/airforce/events/events_e.php#airrally

\"The list below shows the known activities and events organized by Canada’s Air Force and various organizations and associations in the celebrations of the Canadian Centennial of Flight in 2009.\"

There is nothing so far about the John Lovelace \"Century Flight\" event.

There is a good description of the Cross-Country Centennial of Flight Air Rally however. It does look like a better deal, better organized and it goes more interesting places.
Governor General’s Cup Cross Canada Centennial of Flight Air Rally

July 30 - August 15, 2009

Governor General's Cup, Canadian Centennial of Flight Celebrations presented by Aviation Connection. Covering ALL Canadian Provinces and Territories.

Starting Point: Oshkosh (USA), Montreal Finals (Bombardier Dorval)

For more infomation, visit the Aviation Connection website.

www.aviationconnection.org
I like the part about \"covering ALL Canadian Provinces and Territories\".
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Well, the more I read Lovelace's own publicity about this, the more I think it's mostly hype.

I think anybody who figures he or she will be able to watch a line of 100 planes go by like a string of ducklings flapping along behind mother is in for a gross disappointment.

I'll put $5 on it right now that there won't even be 100 planes at Brampton.

Just do a few calculations with me to figure out why the logistics look ridiculous. Let's suppose there were 100 planes flying together in a string from Sault Ste. Marie to Brampton as advertised. I'm guessing you'l need a minimum of 3 minutes landing separation at Brampton or the taxiways will get so clogged, they'll spill back out onto the one active runway. That means you can land 20 planes an hour. Five hours to land 100 planes. So, if the first plane takes off from SSM at 7 a.m. as advertised, the last one will not take off until noon, and won't touch down at BFC until 2:30. Seven and a half hours after the first plane left SSM.

And that's if BFC shuts down to all other traffic. Personally, I can't see the training school willing to shut down and lose almost a full day's income. And then another 5 hours or more two days later when the planes would depart. The income loss would be enormous, and sure as hell, Lovelace's people won't be making it up to the club.

The logistics just aren't there. And I'm very uncertain if there'd even be room to park 100 planes at BFC, anyway.

I could be wrong, but in that airspace, even 3 minutes separation for a string of 100 planes could be dicey.

There's also the question about a line (or wall?) of 100 planes transitting from SSM
to BFC together, and then from BFC across toronto airspace eastbound to New Brunswick. It would block key general aviation routes for hours. Does anyone think the authorities would allow that in Canada's busiest airspace? I'm incredulous.

Maybe they've got it figured out some other way, but it seems to me it would have to involve something other than a line or pack of 100 planes together, and absent that group visual, there's nothing spectacular awaiting the spectator on the ground. In short, a visual dud.

So, needless to say, I'm dying to read the info the organizers will send to us BFC members about how they plan to handle things.

My $5 stands on the bet there won't be anywhere near 100 planes as registered participants at BFC.

Oh, yeah, and even if you just want to fly one leg, such as SSM to BFC, you've still gotta cough up $300. Hmmm.

(Oh, and just an aside. The website claims 100 planes lined up nose-to-tail would be a mile long. Ummm. No. A 172 is 27 ft long. A warrior is 24 ft. long. And so forth. We're talking about maybe half a mile, nose-to-tail. You could line 'em up on almost any GA airport's runway with room to spare.)

And finally: not that I'm a food nazi or anything, but I am health conscious, and, well, are beer tents and fat dripping pork roasts really what pilots under the stress of a 4,000 mile flight should be eating? I mean, most of 'em are going to be over 40, right, and, if I've seen anything of the average over 40 GA pilot in Canada, he already ain't the picture of trim fitness and healthy eating. Isn't it time organizers like this lay things out as we're taught in ground school: eat properly, sleep well, limit alcohol intake and don't smoke. Just wondering.
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Ok, since I’ve been critical of the way this x-country flight has been publicized and organized, it’s fair that I should put-up or shut-up, so here’s what I would have done differently.

Promo video:
Keeping the opening narrative about how for thousands of years, man never saw Canada from the air, I wouldn’t use shots from the air. I’d use stock footage or new vid of natives or explorers of 17th or 18th century costume trudging through the bush, stopping and looking up into an empty sky. Skip the corny native flute music. The sound is footsteps crunching through the woods.
Keep the shot of the Silver Dart as the narrative moves to it.
Keep the narration about 100 plane and pilots from across the country. Cancel the mention of 8 cities. Make it more (see below). When saying “100 planes”, forget the shot of a loan Cessna. It doesn’t fit the message. Instead, get 5 friends with planes to fly in front of your camera, close shot, and edit it to make it appear to be a close string of planes flying by. The message is numbers. The image has to be numbers.
As the narration says “epic across the country”, cancel the continuing shots of individual planes and shots only of the mountains. Replace with an animated map drawing a line across Canada, or quick shots of: the west coast, the mountains, the prairies, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal or the Chateau Frontenac in QC, the St. Lawrence and a typical east coast fishing village.
Cut all the remaining images in the current vid of just one Cessna flying by. Again, wrong image for a 100 plane venture.
Mention of Lovelace and pic of him is ok.
Keep narration “The story told by the pilots themselves” Again cut vid of a lone Cessna and replace with a big group photo of pilots.
Cut all the “epic” crap out of the narration’s description of the journey. It’s bull. Lots of people do it every year. Keeping mention of “first ever” is ok.
End of vid must include a url for more info. Repeat MUST.

Trip Route and Organization, assuming 100 planes will go from BC to NS.:
100 planes MUST leave from one airport on BC’s mainland in Vancouver’s suburbs. It's the \"hook\" for national news coverage.
BUT. The first leg is actually a smaller group who start from one or more places on Vancouver Island flying to that mainland point. That’s the REAL start.
From the mainland airport the next day, all 100 take off as much together as possible. You negotiate this with the airport.
That takeoff day must be timed so that all pilots arrive in Southern Ontario near Toronto on a weekend. (see rationale below.)
These 100 pilots, having taken off from BC then divide into 4 or 5 groups who will fly their own group routes across the country. (again, see rationale, below).
Each individual group need not stop in every province. But as a totality, they will hit them all.
EXCEPT. Near Toronto. All groups will land there. Not at the same airport (see my previous post about the nightmare logistics), but at several in the Greater Toronto Area.
All converge on the end point airport. Again, with the local airport giving you grace.

OK, rationale for splitting the 100 planes up into smaller groups on different routes across the country.
1. Every local airport you hit is a town with local news media. Even small towns have weekly newspapers. The more places you bring this adventure to, the more publicity you get, and the more downhome personal you make it.. The headline being: “Part of the centennial flight landed in our town this week.” Why fly to just one media market in each province when you could hit 4 or 5? And, of course, you get 4 or 5 times the spectators.
2. 20 or 25 planes visiting is easier for any GA airport to handle than 100, so you’re more likely to get local airport administrators to sign-on.
3. In the Toronto area you want to arrive in this largest population area and news media centre of the country on a weekend. Currently, the Brampton stop is mid-week. Bad idea. Potential spectators are at work. Evening spectators? Forget all but those living near the airport. Even in summer, a car drive from midtown Toronto to BFC for early evening takes 2 hours in rush hour traffic. So, instead, you land one group at Buttonville (picks up Toronto media and spectators), one at Brampton (Brampton/Mississauga media and spectators), one at Burlington (Burlington and Hamilton media and spectators), one at Kitchener (ditto), one at Barrie (ditto), one at Oshawa (ditto). Heck, a few could split off to land at Guelph, St.Catharines, Welland, London and Windsor and catch local news coverage and spectator participation. All on a weekend when reporters are news-hungry and when the population has the time to come see, and split between numerous regional airports who could easily handle a max 20 plane special arrival. Even if divided into all those airports, you can still imagine Lloyd Robertson saying, “Pilots on Canada’s centennial flight landed at 12 Ontario airports today as part of an epic journey across Canada to celebrate the country’s 100th anniversary of flight.” THAT is the kind of media attention you want.
4. Each group departs from Toronto heading for a different destination. Ottawa, Kingston, Picton, Cornwall, etc. Stagger the departures to assist Toronto ATC.
5. Ditto across Quebec and the rest of the provinces.
6. All converge on the final destination.

I’ve not even mentioned the Canadian territories. You would have a group (hell, even an individual pilot, if necessary) link in from each.

Complicated? You bet. More difficult than what’s currently planned? I’m not so sure. Splitting the 100 plane group into smaller flights makes participation more palatable to small GA airports.
The benefits: enormously greater news media coverage. And bringing of the event closer to a hugely greater number of ordinary Canadian spectators.

Well, that’s how I would have done this.
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Apparently, some planes landed at Brampton today. A day late because of poor weather in days/legs previous. But certainly not 100 planes. According to the \"official blog\" being kept by chief organizer John Lovelace, there haven't been 100 planes at any stage of this cross country flight ebven when/where the weather was perfect.

It's a pity it wasn't honestly billed as \"up to 100 planes\" rather than \"definitely 100 planes\" from coast-to-coast. It was a dishonest claim that the organizers could never gaurantee.,
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