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New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 1  
Well another new member created a post, what a surprise huh? Well here I am, I have completed the first stages of application on the NAV Canada website and have been invited for the aptitude test next week and I am looking forward to it.

I have been wondering if anyone has gone through the NAV Canada process yet that has any information to share. I have been reading through the forums and see a lot of people writing about the former process and what they went through which has been interesting to say the least. As well does anyone know if it is still possible to take a tour of an ACC as I wouldn't mind scheduling an appointment to see more of the working environment and get feedback from some current ATC's. From what I have been able to gather I would be training at the Moncton ACC as it is the one in my region so if anyone has any contact information there it would be greatly appreciated.

I have also read people talking about being "CT'd" during the process of training. Can someone explain what exactly this means? So far all I can take from it is being let go for something they have done but I am sure there are certain reasons for this to happen.

Once again any information, pointers or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Shawn
 
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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 1  
Um this is kinda off topic but maybe you can help me. I am currently in high school and wondering what are the requirements to be an ATC and if it pays well.

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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 1  
Hello there, I got all my information from the NAV Canada website you can find lots of information about what you require as well as the salary information. You can also start the application process online and take the personality test and first aptitude test. I recommend before you jump into the testing you do some research on the site and determine if this is something you really want to look into. There are many different opportunities with NAV Canada from what I have seen.

I would also recommend browsing through this site as I have gathered a lot of information in the short time I have spent searching through it.

Here is the website
http://takecharge.navcanada.ca/index.php
 
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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 1  
Thanks I was on the website before but I don't think that I checked out that part. I will go check that out.
 
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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 1  
Hey guys,

I went through the process about 2 1/2 years ago in the "old" system with SHL. I can't help you much with how recruitment works now because I don't know what they changed. there are a few questions I can answer to help you with though regarding the job itself.

For the visit to the ACC it shouldn't be a problem I haven't seen anyone refused a visit with appointments being made. For Moncton ACC maybe Michael Oxner could help you out I believe he works there and maybe could get you in touch with the proper people. Or else call Nav Canada and i'm sure they'll direct you to the right persons.

CT means cease-trained and this can be the result of many things. Let's face it the job isn't for anyone and while the recruitment process is made to hire the people with the most potential to succeed it isn't always so. People usually get CT'ed because of the fact that they can't perform the duties to a level that they can work on their own safely and up to standards. This can happen either in OJT(On the job training) or in the simulator before you work real traffic. The written part of the courses is rarely a reason for a CT and it usually comes down to sim and OJT performance. Attitude can also get you CT'ed if it is bad enough and i've seen happen twice so far. All I can suggest to this is don't listen to the horror stories about it and do your thing and keep a low profile. It is do-able because I knew nothing about aviation going in and was the first to get a licence in my course.

The pay, to be honest, is amazing. I can only speak for IFR but my first year I made almsot 115 K with overtime and the base was around 99733K a year. But other than the pay benefits are great. You get dental, medical and travel insurance and also a great pension plan.


This is the best job in the world to me. Not because of pay or benefits, but because it is so fulfilling to do and I really really love going to work everyday and look forward to the challenges and it keeps you on your toes.

If you have any other questions don't hesitate to ask I will gladly help to the best of my ability!

Regards,
Alex
 
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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 102  
I want to clarify a couple of things that Alex said. The pay depends on things like what unit you're in, once you get through the training. Some units are paid more than others, and things like traffic volume come into play, there. Either way, you should be careful not to let the pay be your primary reason for getting into the job, and here's why:

I've watched some people -- some good people -- sit and work and be nothing but nervous all the time. The job is stressful (don't believe what they say on the website), but it's not the amount of stress that becomes important. It's the personality type -- yours. People handle stress in many different ways. You might have every necessary mental ability to handle this job, but if you don't deal well with stress, the job can eat you up.

As far as qualifications go, the only outright qualification, academically, is high school graduation. Other than that, you'll receive the training you need from the instructors at various levels along the road. Having a background in aviation will help, since there are several concepts you will be better prepared for than your classmates, but it isn't required. A lot of attention to your course during the studying will make a huge difference. Don't let yourself get too distracted or it can mean you falling behind and being CT'ed.

There are some other items that have to be dealt with prior to training. You must pass a Class 2 medical (Transport Canada standards which can be found at www.tc.gc.ca, but it's a long search and a convoluted document -- basically, you have to be healthy) and there is a background security check, including fingerprinting.

Once thing I find amazing when I look around at my coworkers, all currently qualified ATCs, is the diversity of backgrounds. You could be book-smart, but fail miserably during practical portions of the training. You could struggle to pass each exam, nearly failing out, and excel during simulation. It is difficult to pick out any one trait or a group of traits that will serve you well or keep you out. The only thing to do is like Alex said: Do you own thing, seek help when you need it, and keep studying. The numbers in the past for successful training have been dismal, but it doesn't mean you don't have a chance or that your chances are slim. It just means that the job isn't for everyone and the only way to really know is to go through the training.

By and large, the job is thankless and job satisfaction comes from within. No, you don't get free air travel -- there are no real fringe benefits like that. But the pay is good, and if you have the right personality, it's the best job in the world. You had better like shiftwork, since most units across the country involve it, and many are 24/7 operations, which means night shifts, too. You can contact the Shift Manager at Moncton ACC at 506-867-7173 to ask about a tour. Good luck!
 
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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 1  
I would like to thank both of you for your information it will help me greatly throughout the process. I have been in computers for the last 9 years and I have wanted a change for most of it but I always had good jobs and job security so it was hard for me to get into something I would enjoy. I look forward to this oppertunity to get a career instead of a job and hopefully this works out. I have always enjoyed the aviation industry and think this would be a good fit for me, I should know more after I schedule a tour of the facilities.

Thanks again for your insight into the life of an Air Traffic Controller and hopefully one day I get the oppertunity to meet with you, work with you, or at least buy you dinner as a token of my appreciation.

Best Regards,
Shawn
 
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New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 2  
hello everyone

i had a pass for the NAVCANADA written tests and had the telephone interview last saturday now i wanna know from those who already passed the second interview in any NAVCANADA facility how that one is conducted ? and which type of questions can i expect ?


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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 1  
Hello Again,

My input on this (based on what i have read and researched) is that the second interview will contain questions that are not questions with a correct answer. The questions you may expect are going to be about situations you have had in previous jobs, strenghts and weaknesses etc. Be prepared with a couple situations including accomplishments you are proud of and some you are not.

If I am correct your first interview should have been questions that have a correct answer testing your knowledge in certain areas.

If you can provide any information on how your aptitude test went I would greatly appreciate any info you have as I will be going into this statge next week. Best of luck to you on your second interview, just remember you have made it further than many will so relax and give it your all.

Regards,
Shawn
 
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Re:New NAV Canada Hiring Process 1 Year, 7 Months ago Karma: 2  
hi There

This is a summary of the written tests and the phone interview

For the written testing,There were several sections and each section was timed. The first was a general knowledge type of thing very similar to the online tests you had to do when you first applied (only more questions and a little bit more time).
Most of the other sections dealt with matching patterns, constructing shapes, a "what's wrong with this picture" etc etc. There was also an oral portion where they played a 5 minute recording, you have to take notes, and then answer questions about it. Knowing what types of questions there are really won't help you because I honestly don't think you can study for a test like this. Just be well rested and don't stress out a about it.

For the telephone interview I would recommend preparing in advance for questions you might expect. The questions look for past behaviour in certain situations as well as look to see how you would react in certain situations. Spend some time the day before going through your memory and coming up with stories or situations that would show relevant behaviour. http://www.quintcareers.com/sample_behavioral.html has a good database of typical behavioural questions. Also, you are marked on your communication abilities. I also suspect that if you hum and hah about a question it might look bad on you (which is why you should have lots of stories or situations written down beforehand). The interview is recorded as well so I wouldn't recommend making up any stories or else it may come back to haunt you in the next interview.

Best of luck
 
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